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AI with AI

AI with AI explores the latest breakthroughs in artificial intelligence and autonomy, and discusses the technological and military implications. Join Andy Ilachinski and David Broyles as they explain the latest developments in this rapidly evolving field.

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Episode 4

Andy and Dave discuss MIT efforts to create a tool to train AIs, in this case, using another AI to provide the training. They discuss efforts to crack the "cocktail party" dilemma of picking out individual voices in a noisy room, as well as an AI that can "upres" photographs with remarkable use of texture (that is, taking a lower resolution photo and making it larger in a realistic way). Finally, they discuss the latest MIT Tech Review magazine, which focused on AI.

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Episode 3

Andy and Dave follow up on the discussion of AlphaGo Zero and the never-before-seen patterns of play that the AI discovered, and the implications of such discoveries (which seem to be the "norm" for AI). They also discuss Google's AutoML project, which applies machine learning to help improve machine learning.

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Episode 2

Andy and Dave discuss the late-breaking news of AlphaGo Zero, a new iteration of the Go playing AI, which surpassed its predecessor AI in about 3 days of learning, using only the basic rules of Go (as opposed to the 6+ months of the original, using thousands of games as examples).

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AlphaGo Zero beats AlphaGo 100-0 after 3 days of training (compared to several months for original AlphaGo) and without any human intervention/human-game-playing-data! Read: Technology Review and Nature


AlphaGo Documentary - Local screening in Reston, VA

Episode 1

In the inaugural podcast for AI with AI, Andy provides an overview of his recent report on AI, Robots, and Swarms, and discusses the bigger picture of the development and breakthroughs in artificial intelligence and autonomy. Andy also discusses some of his recommended books and movies.

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Movies & TV


  • When Will AI Exceed Human Performance? - Survey of 352 experts who had published at recent AI conferences (Oxford, Yale, and the Future of Life Institute)
  • AI Progress Measurement - Measuring the Progress of AI Research
  • New Theory Cracks Open the Black Box of Deep Learning - Tishby / information bottleneck
  • "The idea is that a network rids noisy input data of extraneous details as if by squeezing the information through a bottleneck, retaining only the features most relevant to general concepts." - analogy to renormalization (as used in statistical physics), may lead to better understanding and new architectures
  • Forget Killer Robots—Bias Is the Real AI Danger - Technology Review (MIT)
  • An AI developed at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee to identify cases of colon cancer from patients’ electronic records performed well - at first - but it was discovered that the AI "learned" to associate patients with confirmed cases with a specific clinic to which they were sent.
  • Counterargument (by Peter Norvig: Google's AI research director, co-author of standard text: Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach)
  • "Since humans are not very good at explaining their decision-making either...the performance of an AI system could be gauged simply by observing its outputs over time"
  • If these AI bots can master the world of StarCraft, they might be able to master the world of humans (Artificial Intelligence and Interactive Digital Entertainment -AIIDE- Starcraft AI Competition at Memorial University in Newfoundland)
  • "StarCraft [is] complex enough to be a good simulation of real life...It's like playing soccer while playing chess."