Coming in from the Cold

Coming in from the Cold explores forgotten—or never-remembered—national security policy initiatives, incidents and events during the Cold War. In each episode Cold War Historian Bill Rosenau, will sit down with experts on a wide range of topics to discuss these events and how they are relevant to today’s challenges.

The views expressed here are those of the commentators and do not necessarily reflect the views of CNA or any of its sponsors.

Episode 37

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On April 26, 1986, reactor No.4 of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant exploded, triggering one of the worst man-made disasters in human history. Today, Chernobyl is back in the news as the site of one of the first battles in the Russia-Ukraine War.

In this episode of Coming in From the Cold, Steve Wills sits down with Michael Kofman and Mary Chesnut, from CNA’s Russia Studies program. They discuss the impact that the Chernobyl accident had on the Ukrainian people, and the strategic value of the site today.

*Listener note: this episode was recorded on March 24, 2022, before reports emerged that Russian troops stationed in Chernobyl developed “acute radiation sickness.”

Biographies

Michael Kofman is the director of CNA’s Russia Studies Program. He is an expert in Russian armed forces, military thought, capabilities, and strategy. Mr. Kofman is also a Senior Editor at War on the Rocks, where he regularly authors articles on strategy, the Russian military and Russian decision-making.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael

Mary Chesnut is an associate research analyst with CNA’s Russia Studies Program. Prior to joining CNA, she was the program manager of the Nuclear Security Working Group a non-partisan organization at George Washington University.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/nuke_nerd


Episode 36

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When most of us think of radio stations we think of pop music, and drive time DJs. But those with shortwaves radios can access a whole other world of broadcasts, including police scanners, satellite signals and the mysterious “numbers stations.” These stations occasional broadcast a bizarre string of numbers before going silent.

To learn more about these “number stations,” what purpose they serve and how they were employed during the Cold War, Bill welcomes historian Māris Goldmanis and Dave Broyles, director of CNA’s Special Activities & Intelligence Program.

Biographies

Māris Goldmanis is a historian, co-founder and editor of numbers-station.com and an avid numbers stations researcher.

Dave Broyles is the director of CNA’s Special Activities & Intelligence Program. He specializes in cyber operations and special operations, as well as experimentation and innovation in the Department of Defense.


Episode 35

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Episode 27 of Coming in from the Cold covered the history of fallout shelters and civil defense in Cold War America, now our team had a chance to experience one firsthand. Producer John Stimpson joins Bill for a guided tour of the Tudor Place fallout shelter.

Biographies

Mark Hudson is the Executive Director for Tudor Place has been able to translate a lifelong love of American history into a rewarding career in museum and archive management. As executive director of Tudor Place, he spends his days promoting the stewardship of a National Historic Landmark and ensuring the public hears the stories of multiple generations of Martha Washington’s descendants. Prior to his tenure at Tudor Place, Mr. Hudson served as executive director of the Vermont Historical Society in Barre, Vermont.

Related Materials

Follow along with a photo album of the tour.

Episode 34

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At the CIA Headquarters in Langley Virginia, stands the Wall of Honor. Here CIA operatives who have died in the line of duty are memorialized. The first star on that wall belongs to Douglas Mackiernan.

On this episode of Coming in From the Cold, Robin Shwetzer a retired DIA analyst and Nicholas Dujmovic a retired CIA analyst join Bill to discuss the story of Douglas Mackiernan and the effort to repatriate his remains.

Biographies

Robin Shwetzer served as an analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency for 25 years, where she worked on a variety of issues including Weapons of Mass Destruction, Underground facilities, and geopolitical analysis. She is an expert in designing tailored analytic methods to solve difficult intelligence problems, and developed and instructed intelligence research and analysis courses for government and universities. Robin retired from DIA earlier this year and spends much of her time researching to support POW/MIA recovery efforts.

Nicholas Dujmovic a 26-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency, where he served as an analyst, manager, editor of the President's Daily Brief, and deputy chief of the Agency's History Staff. Prior to his CIA career he served 14 years in the U.S. Coast Guard. He retired from government service in 2016 to create a program in intelligence studies at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.

Related Materials

On behalf of Robin Schwetzer this episode is dedicated to the Mackiernan family. If you are interested in learning more about repatriation efforts like the ones discussed in this episode, please visit the National League of POW/MIA Families, a nonprofit, 501[c][3] tax-exempt, humanitarian organization


Episode 33

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When most American’s think of terrorism in New York City, they think of September 11, 2001. However, there is an entire untold history of terrorism in the city dating back decades. On today’s episode of CIFTC, Bill sits down with David Viola professor of criminology at John Jay College, who tells the story of terrorism in New York, during the long 1960s.

Biographies

David C. Viola Jr., Ph.D, is an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. He received his PhD in history from the City University of New York Graduate Center. In addition to his teaching and scholarship, Viola is a documentary filmmaker and an intelligence officer in the US Navy Reserves.

William Rosenau, Ph.D, is senior policy historian at CNA, and a fellow in the International Security program at New America. His books include Tonight We Bombed the US Capitol: The Explosive Story of M19, America’s First Female Terrorist Group; and US Internal Security Assistance to South Vietnam: Insurgency, Subversion, and Public Order.

Further Reading

David C. Viola Jr., “Terrorism and the Response to Terrorism in New York City During the Long Sixties,” Ph.D diss., The Graduate Center, City University of New York, 2017,

Episode 32

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The story of Sen. Joseph McCarthy targeting alleged Communists working for the federal government is part of every American history textbook, but his persecution of LGBTQ people is not as widely known.

In this episode, we are exploring the Lavender Scare. CNA analyst Kyle Penner and David Johnson author of, "The Lavender Scare: The Cold War Persecution of Gays and Lesbians in the Federal Government," join Bill for this discussion.

Biographies

Kyle Penner is a Research Analyst in CNA's Undersea Warfare Program and one of the leaders of the employee resource group Pride at CNA.

David Johnson is a professor of history at the University of South Florida.


Episode 31

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On this episode of Coming in From the Cold, CNA analysts Josh Tallis and Steve Wills join Bill. They discuss Steve's new book, "Strategy Shelved: The Collapse of Cold War Naval Strategic Planning."

"Strategy Shelved: The Collapse of Cold War Naval Strategic Planning," by Steve Wills

"The War for Muddy Waters: Pirates, Terrorists, Traffickers and Maritime Insecurity," by Josh Tallis:

Biographies

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.

Joshua Tallis is a Research Scientist specializing in maritime security, irregular threats, and issues of naval and national security strategy. Josh also served as the CNA field representative to Carrier Strike Group EIGHT during the Navy's first instantiation of Dynamic Force Employment in the High North.


Episode 30

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This month on Coming in From the Cold, returning guest Ken Gause and Kevin Pollpeter join Bill to discuss the Pentagon's report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.

Biographies

Kevin Pollpeter is a research scientist in the CNA China Studies Program. He is an internationally recognized expert on China's space program and is widely published on Chinese national security issues, focusing on Chinese military modernization, China's defense industry, and Chinese views on information warfare.

Ken Gause is the director of the Adversary Analytics Program. He is CNA's senior foreign leadership analyst and has spent the last 20 years developing methodologies for examining leadership dynamics of hard-target, authoritarian regimes. His latest book is "North Korean House of Cards: Leadership Dynamics Under Kim Jong-un."


Episode 29

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On this bonus episode of Coming in From the Cold, we are gearing up for the Pentagon's report on "unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP)" anticipated today, June 25. Samuel Bendett, an expert on Russian military technology joins Bill to explore the possibility that this is adversary technology and dive into the Russian experience with UAP.

Biographies

Samuel Bendett is an expert in Russian defense and security technology and developments, Russian geopolitical influence in the former Soviet states, as well as Russian unmanned systems development, Russian naval capabilities and Russian decision-making calculus during military crises.


Episode 28

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This time on Coming in From the Cold, Pamela Faber and Meg McBride join Bill to discuss their recent report, "Understanding Gender and Violent Extremism." Including examples from the Cold War.

Biographies

Pamela Faber is an expert in security and development in conflict and post-conflict regions in Africa and the Middle East.

Megan McBride is a Research Analyst in CNA’s Combatting Threats and Challenges Program.


Episode 27

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On this episode of Coming in From the Cold, returning guests Steve Wills and Anya Fink join Bill to discuss the Cold War history of fallout shelters, evacuations plans, and other aspects of civil defense.

Biographies

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.

Anya Fink is a research analyst with CNA's Russia Studies Program. Her research focuses on Russian strategy and approaches to deterrence, Russian military thought, and nuclear weapons issues.


Episode 26

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Bill and his guests discuss the rise and fall of the John Birch Society, a far-right organization which trafficked in conspiracy theories.

CNA’s Meg McBride returns, accompanied by Darren Mulloy author of the “The World of the John Birch Society: Conspiracy, Conservatism and the Cold War.”

Biographies

Darren Mulloy is a professor of history at Wilfrid Laurier University and the author of “The World of the John Birch Society: Conspiracy, Conservatism and the Cold War.”

Megan McBride is a Research Analyst in CNA’s Center for Stability and Development.


Episode 25

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On this episode, Ralph Espach and Ken Gause join bill to discuss the weird world of Soviet and American experiments with parapsychology, during the Cold War.

Biographies

Ken Gause is the director of the Adversary Analytics Program. He is CNA's senior foreign leadership analyst and has spent the last 20 years developing methodologies for examining leadership dynamics of hard-target, authoritarian regimes. His latest book is "North Korean House of Cards: Leadership Dynamics Under Kim Jong-un."

Ralph Espach is director of Latin American Strategic Affairs at CNA. He is an expert in U.S.-Latin America security relations, climate change and security, and security cooperation monitoring and assessment. His 2016 book, "The Dilemma of Lawlessness" from the Marine Corps University Press, examines the impact of organized crime in Guatemalan border communities.


Episode 24

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Dr. Afshon Ostovar Associate Professor at the Naval Postgraduate School and CNA’s Mike Connell join Bill to discuss the rise and fall of the Shah of Iran.

Biographies

Dr. Afshon Ostovar is an Associate Professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School. He is also a Robert A. Fox Fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute.

Michael Connell is an expert in Persian-Gulf security-related issues, the armed forces of Iran, U.S.-GCC security cooperation, and adversary cyber policy and strategy. He has served as CNA's Field Analyst to Naval Forces Central Command (NAVCENT).


Episode 23

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On this episode of Coming in from the Cold, Pamela Faber returns along with Judd Devermont the director of the Africa Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). They discuss the Assassination of Patrice Lumumba, the first elected Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and its implications for Central Africa.

Biographies

Judd Devermont is the director of the Africa Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Prior to joining CSIS, he served as the national intelligence officer for Africa from 2015 to 2018. He was the Central Intelligence Agency’s senior political analyst on sub-Saharan Africa from 2013 to 2015. Judd hosts Into Africa, a biweekly podcast series on African politics and policy.

The views expressed in this podcast by Judd Devermont do not represent those of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Intelligence Community, or the U.S. government.

Pamela Faber is an expert in security and development in conflict and post-conflict regions in Africa and the Middle East. She focuses on terrorism and counterterrorism, insurgency and counterinsurgency, failed and fragile states, non-state armed groups, transnational challenges, and issues of governance. Faber has conducted multi-year monitoring and evaluation (M&E) projects on USG counterterrorism programs, which have involved extensive fieldwork in Africa.

Additional Reading


Episode 22

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This month on Coming in From the Cold, a discussion of the history of Afghanistan leading up to the Soviet Invasion, and the wars legacy in the modern day nation.

Regular guest Steve Wills sits in for Bill Rosenau as host and is joined by Ohio University professor of history Dr. John Brobst, and Dr. Jon Schroden Director of CNA's Center for Stability and Development.

Biographies

Dr. Jonathan Schroden is the Director of CNA's Center for Stability and Development (CSD), and also directs CNA's Special Operations Program, which focuses on research and analysis on the most complex and challenging issues facing special operations forces (SOF) today and in the future.

Dr. John Brobst is an associate professor of history at Ohio University, where he teaches courses on the British Empire, geopolitics, and naval history, including a popular course on “Afghan Wars and the Great Game in Asia.”


Episode 21

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This month on Coming in From the Cold, CNA analyst Pamela Faber and Steve Wills join Bill to discuss Project Coast. This was the covert effort of the Apartheid government to develop chemical and biological weapons, assassinate political dissidents, and continue the oppression of the Apartheid State in South Africa.

Biographies

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.

Pamela Faber is an expert in security and development in conflict and post-conflict regions in Africa and the Middle East. She focuses on, failed and fragile states, non-state armed groups, transnational challenges, and issues of governance.

Related Materials

Chandré Gould, Brian Rappert, Verne Harris, and Kathryn Smith, “Why Project Coast Still Matters,” Institute for Security Studies, November 24, 2014, https://issafrica.org/iss-today/why-project-coast-still-matters.

“Special Investigation into Project Coast: South Africa’s Chemical and Biological Weapons Programme,” Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa), October 29, 1998, http://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/finalreport/volume2/chapters/volume2_ch9.pdf.

Stephen Burgess and Helen Purkit, The Rollback of South Africa’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Program (Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama: U.S. Air Force Counterproliferation Center, April 2001).

Chandré Gould and Peter Folb, “Project Coast: Apartheid’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Programme,” United Nations Disarmament Research Institute, December 20, 2002, https://unidir.org/publication/project-coast-apartheids-chemical-and-biological-warfare-programme.


Episode 20

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On this episode of Coming in from the Cold, Bill is joined by CNA analysts Dawn Thomas and Meg McBride as well as Arie Perliger of U-Mass Lowell. They discuss the history of right-wing terrorism in the United States and what it can teach us about these groups today.

Biographies

Dr. Arie Perliger is a Professor and the director of the graduate program in security studies at the School of Criminology and Justice Studies, University of Massachusetts Lowell. Before his arrival to UML, Dr. Perliger was the Director of Terrorism Studies and Associate Professor at the Combating Terrorism Center and Department of Social Sciences, US Military Academy at West Point.

Dawn Thomas is the Co-Director of CNA’s Center for Emergency Management Operations.

Megan McBride is a Research Analyst in CNA’s Center for Stability and Development.


Episode 19

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On this episode, Professor Stuart Schrader of John Hopkins University and CNA’s Stephen Rickman join Bill. They discuss how counter-insurgency tactics used by the U.S. military abroad were repatriated and used by police departments in American cities.

Biographies

Stephen Rickman, MA, is an expert in police-community relations. He has worked for over 20 years in high-level positions in public safety and community support.

Stuart Schrader is the Associate Director of the Program in Racism, Immigration, and Citizenship at Johns Hopkins University.


Episode 18

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Paul Saunders and Alex Powell join Bill to discuss the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, and how world powers continue to make the same mistakes.

Biographies

Alex Powell is an expert on terrorist group tactics, counterterrorism, and special operations forces (SOF). Regionally, he focuses on South and Southeast Asia and the Middle East.

Paul Saunders is an expert on Russia, overseeing research on that country's foreign energy policy, foreign policy, national security policy and domestic politics, as well as U.S.-Russian relations.


Episode 17

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This month on Coming in from the Cold, Kasey Stricklin returns for another discussion of disinformation, this time with Thomas Rid Professor of Strategic Studies at John Hopkins University.

Biographies

Kasey Stricklin is a research analyst with CNA's Adversary Analytics team, where she is a member of the Russia Studies Program. Her research specialization is the psychological side of information warfare, including disinformation and propaganda.

Thomas Rid is a Professor of Strategic Studies at Johns Hopkins University. He has more than a decade of experience in international security and intelligence studies, previously serving as a Professor of Security Studies in the Department of War Studies at King's College London, where he developed a Cyber Security module that bridged the gap between technological and political debates.


Episode 16

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Special Guest Doug Selvage of the Humboldt University in Berlin and returning guest Kasey Stricklin, join Bill to discuss the how the Soviet Union and Russian Federation craft disinformation campaigns around pandemics. 

Biographies

Dr. Douglas Selvage is a Senior Research Associate (wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter) at the Institute of History of the Philosophical Faculty of the Humboldt University in Berlin, where he recently began the research project, “Active Measures and Propaganda, 1966-1989: The Stasi, the KGB and their European Allies.” From 2013-18, he served as Project Director in the Education and Research Division of the Office of the Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Records (BStU) in Berlin. There, he directed the historical research project, “The Ministry of State Security and the MGB/KGB in the Soviet Bloc, 1950-1989.”

Kasey Stricklin is a research analyst with CNA's Adversary Analytics team, where she is a member of the Russia Studies Program. Her research specialization is the psychological side of information warfare, including disinformation and propaganda.

Additional Reading

Wilson Center: Operation “Denver”: KGB and Stasi Disinformation regarding AIDS, by Doug Selvage

CNA InDepth: Russia's Coronavirus Messaging and Disinformation, by Kasey Stricklin


Episode 15

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Special Guest Tanvi Madan of the Brookings Institute and Nilanthi Samaranayake join Bill to discuss, the shifting relationship between India, China and the United States during the Cold War.

Biographies

Tanvi Madan is the director of The India Project at the Brookings Institution in Washington, DC. Madan’s work explores India’s role in the world and its foreign policy, focusing in particular on India's relations with China and the United States.

Nilanthi Samaranayake directs the Strategy and Policy Analysis Program. She has led several studies at CNA on Indian Ocean and South Asia security. Recently Samaranayake has worked on U.S.-India naval cooperation, water resource competition in the Brahmaputra River basin, and Sri Lankan foreign policy.


Episode 14

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On this episode of Coming in from the Cold, Bill and his guests put the cold in Cold War. Steve Wills returns along with Josh Tallis to discuss the history of the Cold War in the Arctic, and its implications for modern Arctic security.

Biographies

Joshua Tallis is a Research Scientist specializing in maritime security, irregular threats, and issues of naval and national security strategy. Josh also served as the CNA field representative to Carrier Strike Group EIGHT during the Navy's first instantiation of Dynamic Force Employment in the High North.

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.

Additional Resources

Arctic Maps

Tsar Bomba

Camp Century

Project COLDFEET

US Navy Arctic Roadmap

A Soviet Ghost Town in the Arctic Circle, Pyramiden Stands Alone

Report encourages Norway to reopen Olavsvern submarine support base


Episode 13

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On this episode, from Sputnik to Apollo to Star Wars, we cover the Cold War in space. Steve Wills returns, joined by special guest Don Brown, who leads the government group at Telesat, a major satellite operator.

Biographies

Don Brown has more than 20 years’ experience in satellite communications and digital distribution systems. He is a specialist in applying commercial satellite solutions to government space mission requirements and currently leads Government Services, for Telesat.

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.


Episode 12

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On this episode, Operation PBSUCCESS, a covert operation carried out by CIA that deposed Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz. Georgetown University Professor Sean McFate, and CNA’s Eleanore Douglas join Bill to discuss the operation and its implication for the modern security environment.

Biographies

Sean McFate is a foreign policy expert, author and novelist. He is a Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council, a Washington DC think tank, and a professor of strategy at the National Defense University and Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service. He is the author “The New Rules of War: Victory in the Age of Durable Disorder”

Eleanore Douglas is a Research Analyst at CNA. She specializes in strategy, defense planning, and security cooperation. She is an expert in the application of scenarios and "red team" techniques, experienced in assessments & evaluation and risk analysis.


Episode 11

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Chung Min Lee of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and returning guest Ken Gause join Bill to discuss the history of the Kim Dynasty in North Korea.

Biographies

Ken Gause is the director of the Adversary Analytics Program. He is CNA's senior foreign leadership analyst and has spent the last 20 years developing methodologies for examining leadership dynamics of hard-target, authoritarian regimes. His latest book is "North Korean House of Cards: Leadership Dynamics Under Kim Jong-un."

Chung Min Lee is a senior fellow in the Asia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. From 2013 to 2016, he served as ambassador for national security affairs for South Korea, and from 2010 to 2011 as ambassador for international security affairs. He is the author of “The Hermit King: The Dangerous Game of Kim Jong Un.”


Episode 10

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Returning guest Steve Wills and new comers Vince Manzo and Anya Fink sit down to discuss the history of nuclear weapons, and the events that shaped modern nuclear policy.

Biographies

Vincent Manzo is an expert in nuclear weapons policy. His research portfolio includes deterrence, extended deterrence, escalation management, strategic stability, and arms control.

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.

Anya Fink is an expert in Russia policy. Her research is focused on Russian approaches to deterrence and Russian military thought.


Episode 9

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David Wallsh and returning guest Steve Wills join Bill to discuss the Yom Kippur War and how it shaped the modern Middle East.

Biographies

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship.

David Wallsh is an expert in Middle East affairs and international security issues, including alliance politics, security cooperation and building partner capacity.


Episode 8

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Ken Gause and Ralph Espach return, to continue the story of how the U.S. government responded to UFO sightings in the mid-1900s.

Ken Gause is the director of the Adversary Analytics Program. He is CNA's senior foreign leadership analyst and has spent the last 20 years developing methodologies for examining leadership dynamics of hard-target, authoritarian regimes. His latest book is "North Korean House of Cards: Leadership Dynamics Under Kim Jong-un."

Ralph Espach is director of Latin American Strategic Affairs at CNA. He is an expert in U.S.-Latin America security relations, climate change and security, and security cooperation monitoring and assessment. His 2016 book, "The Dilemma of Lawlessness" from the Marine Corps University Press, examines the impact of organized crime in Guatemalan border communities.


Episode 7

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On this month’s Coming in From the Cold, Cornell Overfield and Jeffrey Edmonds join Bill to discuss political warfare in Germany during the 1940s and 1950s.

Cornell Overfield is a graduate student in Yale’s European and Russian Studies program. He focuses on Central Europe after 1945, the expansion of institutions after the end of the Cold War, and international relations theory. He has published the first English-language study of East German political warfare against West German in the early Cold War. 

Jeffrey Edmonds is an expert on cyber operations in Russia and Eurasia. Edmonds previously served as the Director for Russia on the National Security Council and acting Senior Director for Russia during the 2017 presidential transition. His research at CNA focuses on the Russian military, foreign policy, Russian threat perceptions and Russian information operations.


Episode 6

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Michael Connell, the head of CNA’s Iran Studies Program, joins Bill and returning guest Kasey Stricklin to discuss the Iran-Iraq war.

Kasey Stricklin is a research analyst with CNA's Russia program. Her current research focuses on Russian naval leadership, personnel and demographics. She has also conducted research at CNA on Russian nuclear strategy and thinking. She currently writes on women in the Russian economy for BMB Russia.

Michael Connell is an expert in Persian-Gulf security-related issues, the armed forces of Iran, U.S.-GCC security cooperation, and adversary cyber policy and strategy. He has served as CNA's Field Analyst to Naval Forces Central Command (NAVCENT).

Episode 5

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In this episode, the little-known story of QRHELPFUL, a CIA operation in Poland which supported Solidarity during the dark days of Martial Law.

Seth G. Jones is the director of CSIS Transnational Threats Project and a CNA Senior Fellow. He teaches at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) and the Center for Homeland Defense and Security (CHDS) at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.

Kasey Stricklin is a research analyst with CNA's Russia program. Her current research focuses on Russian naval leadership, personnel and demographics. She has also conducted research at CNA on Russian nuclear strategy and thinking. She currently writes on women in the Russian economy for BMB Russia.

Episode 4

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On October 20, 1981, an infamous crime shook the New York suburb of Nanuet. The botched robbery of an armored Brink's trunk resulted in the death of two police officers and a Brink's security guard. When the police first apprehended the robbers, they simply believed them to be a group of well-armed thieves. In fact, they were members of America’s first female terrorist group, the May 19th Communist Organization, the subject of Bill Rosenau’s new book, "Tonight We Bomb the U.S. Capitol."

Dawn Thomas is an Associate Director and Research Analyst on the Safety and Security team of CNA, and is an expert in large-scale incident planning and response. Thomas came to CNA after studying terrorism and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, where she received her Master’s degree.

Episode 3

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In 1947 Kenneth Arnold, a salesman from Boise, Idaho, was flying over Washington state in a private plane. Sometime around 3 p.m., Arnold saw a series of bright flashing lights and a group of nine flying objects moving in formation. He said the objects moved as though “skipping on water.” The media took the image and ran with it. The term “flying saucers” was born. This was the beginning of a wave of UFO sightings. During the following month, newspapers covered more than 850 UFO cases in over 90 cities across the U.S. and Canada. These reported sightings alarmed the U.S. national security establishment. Just what was going on in the skies over North America? Guests Ken Gause and Ralph Espach join Bill to discuss this wave of UFO sightings and the response of the U.S. Government.

Ken Gause is the director of the Adversary Analytics Program. He is CNA's senior foreign leadership analyst and has spent the last 20 years developing methodologies for examining leadership dynamics of hard-target, authoritarian regimes. His latest book is "North Korean House of Cards: Leadership Dynamics Under Kim Jong-un."

Ralph Espach is director of Latin American Strategic Affairs at CNA. He is an expert in U.S.-Latin America security relations, climate change and security, and security cooperation monitoring and assessment. His 2016 book, “The Dilemma of Lawlessness” from the Marine Corps University Press, examines the impact of organized crime in Guatemalan border communities.

Episode 2

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In this episode of Coming in from the Cold, Bill welcomes Rear Admiral Mike McDevitt (Ret.) and Commander Steve Wills (Ret.) to discuss the Maritime Strategy of the 1980s. McDevitt and Wills recall some of the key players surrounding the development of the Maritime Strategy. This includes CNA analysts who used open source data to hypothesize that the goal of the Soviet Navy was to protect their ballistic missile submarines. Additionally, they point to Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, who helped convince the Reagan administration that a 600-ship fleet was necessary to challenge the Soviet Navy. Finally, the group discusses the key role that perception played in the Maritime Strategy, enhancing deterrence by reinforcing in the Soviet mind the idea that they could not win a war with the United States.

Guest Bios

Rear Adm. Michael McDevitt: During his 34-year naval career, McDevitt held four at-sea commands, including command of an aircraft carrier battle group. He spent all of his operational time in the Pacific, including a two-year assignment in Sasebo, Japan. McDevitt was Chief of Naval Operations Strategic Studies Group Fellow at the Naval War College and has been the Director of the East Asia Policy Office for the Secretary of Defense. McDevitt holds an M.A. in American Diplomatic History from Georgetown University and a B.A. in U.S. History from the University of Southern California. He is also a graduate of the National War College.

Lt. Cdr. Steven Wills: In 20 years as an active duty U.S. Navy officer, Wills served on a variety of small and medium surface combatants, including an assignment as the executive officer of a mine countermeasures ship. He also held shore-based billets at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate (JNLWD), and at NATO Joint Forces Command (JFCNP), Naples, Italy. Wills holds a Ph.D. in military history and an M.A. in history from Ohio University, an M.A. in National Security Policy from the Naval War College, and a B.A. in history from Miami University, Ohio.

Episode 1

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In 1983, The Patriot, an Indian newspaper with longstanding Soviet connections, printed an anonymous letter from New York, claiming that AIDS had actually been developed by the U.S. government as a bioweapon.  At the time, the story had little impact, but by late 1985 the story took off. As AIDS spread around the world, people were desperate for an explanation of the terrifying new disease. By the end of the year the story had run in 12 other countries. And where did this pack of lies originate? It was a prime example of Soviet disinformation.

Guests Michael Kofman and Kasey Stricklin join our host, Bill Rosenau, to discuss Soviet disinformation tactics and how they compare to methods used by the Russian Federation today.

Guest Bios

Michael Kofman is the director of CNA’s Russia Program. His research focuses on security issues in Russia and the former Soviet Union, specializing in defense and military analysis. Michael has advised senior military and government officials on Russia, Eurasia and Pakistan and represented the Department of Defense on numerous occasions before foreign officials and dignitaries.

Kasey Stricklin is a research analyst with CNA’s Russia program. Her current research focuses on Russian naval leadership, personnel and demographics. She has also conducted research at CNA on Russian nuclear strategy and thinking. She currently writes on women in the Russian economy for BMB Russia.


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